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I have had a short conversation with Ian which would better be led in public, as it touches upon the entire past history of the West of Weyrth.

Jake has left us with a lot of chronological problems. On MRB p. 199 he sets the beginning of the Xanarian conquest into roughly the time between 250 and 550 Weyr, with a great era of large foreign conquests in around 600. But in his description of Tez’Hamun on p. 179 he gives the impression of an ancient former evil empire long since fallen, namely “with the Imperial conquest of Maraiah in 29 Weyr”.

Now 29 Weyr is clearly too early, with Xanarium only being founded in 3 Weyr. Still, the description of Tez’Hamun (and Ahr and Numeria) suggests very strongly that this empire crumbled a long time ago, certainly not as late as after 600 Weyr, as the other chronology suggests as the earliest possible time. I would like to use this as a justification to bring the rest of the chronology somewhat forwards, let’s say by a century. The great era of conquest would thus have been around 450 Weyr, and its end, the clash and subsequent subdual of Stahl, in 639 and 688 respectively.

Another problem I view is the fall of Xanarium and the freedom of the nations. MRB p. 201 states 1302 as the year of Stahlnish freedom, implicating that it was the first country to break free. As the current year is 1467 Weyr, this means only about a century of independence for most nations of the West, less in some cases. I feel that this raises the problem that these nations, having been provinces of the Empire for three quarters of a millennium, will have had very little time to develop distinct cultural identities of their own. In addition, this kind of transition makes differences in technological advancement very unlikely. I therfore propose to move the age of independence forward by one century, to 1202 in the case of Stahl, and to introduce as a new, additional factor in it a kind of migrational movement of barbarians flooding the Empire from the east; this would help to explain cultural and technological differences.

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From the Taveruun thread on the old The Forge TRoS forum:

Timelines By Gary Bingham and Mike Holmes

W565 Helena falls to Legions of Xanarium in a series of massive sea-borne assaults. The Ruler of the port city of Dar-Es-Kallyrii begins to supplement the formidable natural defenses of the haven with the construction of mighty sea walls. A program of shipbuilding is also started in an effort to ward off any imperial incursions.

W574 When the massed fleets of Xanarium and Dar-Es-Kallyrii clash in the straits of Malan the resulting sea battle ends in the first major defeat for the fledgling Xanarian Empire. Both fleets are devastated and whilst the resources of Xanarium and Helena will allow the empire to rebuild the fleet in less than a decade, the Taveruu city-state will never again regain the sea power that it had amassed.

W583 Xanarium turns it’s attention to Dardanet. Whilst the Xanarium fleet maintains a effective blockade on Dar-Es-Kallyrii, plans to assault the city state are shelved.

W608 – W900 Whilst the military might of the Xanarium Empire set about subduing the north the Church of the Three begins an extensive missionary campaign to convert the lands in the south.

W712 A horde of Heljin Marmeluks, displaced by a war with Svarastra, capture the entirity of the Principality of Serizia, a small Hotar country. Closely related to the Numerians (in fact amongst the first to have broken from Tez'Hamun after the collapse of that great civilization), the Hotars controlled what are now the lands and cities of Northern Numeria. Their capital at Zahnitir the Hotars had managed to create quite an impressive civilization in part influenced by the Svarastran regime at the time with which they had much trade. Especially impressive given the near total lack of arable land in the Principality.

W900 Approx. Dardani missionaries begin to have a sizeable presence in the sea port of Zahnitir in the Principality of Serizia.

W938 When the treaty of Spatha is signed by Emperor Dominatine III and Shieq Abu Kaullan of Dar-Es-Kallyrii , effectively handing over the control of the city state to the Xanarian Empire, riots erupt in the haven. The elder Followers of the Prophets rouse the Kallyrii populace to Holy war and the Shieq is expelled from the city.

W947 Forces loyal to the Suul’tan of Otarmarluk expel Xanarian missionaries from Zahnitr. The region effectively joins the Ottamarluk empire, though the Heljin Pasha will continue to be the putative ruler of the region.

W979 Dardani holdings in the lands of the Taveruu (SW?) Are swept aside by the Heljin Marmaluks (at the prompting of the Suul'taan?) And the armies of Dardanet fall back (to their present day border with Taveruun? Would make sense with the 1047 comment. Some things for the author of Southwest to decide).

W988 The Marluk armies surge across the Dardanet border seeking to destroy their ancient foes. The Dardani are force to fight a guerilla war against the Vowist’s. I desparate plea is made to the Empire to attack and drive back the Suul’tan army.

W1000 – W1007 First Crusade

W1002 Markus Adolfus of Cyrinthmeir wins a series of victories against Vowist city-states south of the Cyrinthmeirian border and the Duchy of Komar is born from the ashes.

W1003 Dar-Es-Kallyrii falls to Crusader armies under the command of Alexius Medellius of the Seat, and Giovanni Uradzia of Helena.

W1004 The Kingdom of Kallary is established on the coast near to the border with Helena encompassing much of the territory of the old city-state of Dar-Es-Kallyrii.

W1006 The Helenic crusader faction forges north from Kallary seeking spoils. The March of Radzia is created in the mountainous region near the border of Helena between the Duchy of Komar and the Kingdom of Kallary.

W1047 - W1054 Second Crusade

W1047 Dardanet pushes it’s border north claiming a portion of the lands promised to the King of Kallary. A successful Kallarian petition to the Xanarian emperor triggers a call for a new crusade.

W1054 The Battle of Zahnitr, and the rout of the Heljins results in the founding of the County of Illitzi, it's capital at Illitzi some 30 miles north of Zahnitr, and the ending the Second Crusade. The leader of the Crusade, Gottar of Prepisan, gives control of the region to Sergin of Komar, a young and enthusiastic Taveruu convert to Xanar. He declares the region a County so that it will be subordinate to the Northern crusader kingdoms.

W1055 Approx Imperial forces and the Numerians confront each other for the first time across the border. The Numerians disliked the Heljin Marmeluks and didn't bother to try to tell the difference between Marmeluk and Taveruu and Mainlunder. The vast and ferocious Numerian desert keeps each side at bay, however.

W1079 A Monk named Geriun establishes the Monastery of Zurasan, and assembles a new order. This new modification of Imperial worship will become known as Taveru Monastacism due mostly to the majority Taveru membership.

W1101 - W1106 Third Crusade.

W1101 Xanarth Vedreidi issues a call to “all those who love the church” and forms the Third Crusade to march against Vowist forces holding the Galadon region. Shortly after he dies of a massive stroke and the formation of the Xanarian contingent of the crusade is delayed.

W1102 In spite of calls from the new Xanarth to wait the massed northern crusader contigent surges southward from the Duchy of Komar.

W1104 The First Battle of Longstone. The Third Crusade is initially successful as the light cavalry of the Sul’taan’s army are not able to effectively defend against the predominantly infantry crusaders in the mountains north of Longstone. The Sul’taan summer palace in Longstone is taken and razed.

W1105 The Second Battle of Longstone. Better able to operate in the plains of Galadon the Sul’taan’s Vowist forces take the upper hand in the conflict and the surviving crusaders are besieged in the fortress at Longstone.

W1106 - W1111 Fourth Crusade

W1106 A new crusade finally arrives in the County of Illitzi through the port of Zahnitr, composed of forces from the Seat, Helena, Dardanet and Fauth surges northward to break the siege of Longstone. A contingent of Illitzi infantry joins the Crusade led by the Count.

W1111 The Barony of Galadon is formed. The new Baron notes that the forces of Illitzi have aquitted themselves well leading to negotiations between the leaders. The Count of Illitzi declares an oath of fealty to Galadon at the beginning of the following year.

W1118 Geriun dies. His order will continue to grow, however the Zurasan monastery itself falls into disrepair and Maruzin clansmen take most of the land.

W1132 - W1141 The Numerian Invasions. The Descendants of Numeria gather a large force to assault into Taveruun, the nobles themselves leading long columns of chariots.

W1133 Both the city of Zahnitr and Scallas are taken by the Numerians

W1134 Both cities are retaken when the Imperial forces from Galadorn arrive to reinforce the South's troops. Numerian forces then besiege Scallas, which fortified by the Imperial troops refuses to fall.

W1136 The seige of Scallas is broken regularly and re-established shortly thereafter each time by the Numerians. Finally the Numerian forces are forced to retreat due to supply problems.

W1138 The Numerians return in force this time heading directly for Zahnitr. They are routed at the Battle of the Anumas River, and forced to retreat. On the way they smash into a relieving force on coming from Scallas to Zahnitr. A large portion of the Scallas garrison gone, the Numerians easily take the city at the end of the year. For the next three years, the Numerians launch repeated attacks mostly chariot based. These cause significant damage, but the charioteers cannot hold ground and nothing changes hands after this point until the cesation of hostilities in 1141.

W1140 Approx The rulers of Numeria have driven their country into an extreme state of disrepair, allowing the new Priestess cult to rise to ascendancy over the next century.

W1161 Reformation of Taveruun. The County of Illitzi becomes the Imperial South Province of Taveruun, and the Count becomes Highlord of the region.

W1179 The Imperial Highway completes it's last leg from Illitzi to Zahnitr. It completion quite literally paves the way for further crusades.

W1182 - W1194 Fifth Crusade.

W1196 – W1198 Sixth Crusade.

W1198 Crusade of King Calandrias of Gelure

W1199 Crusade of Lord Aria of Trezandi

W1200 – W1202 First Crusade of Haggar of Angharad

W1203 – W1209 The Golden Crusade (aka Seventh Crusade or Last Crusade). Xanarth Calingaitus calls for a “crusade to shake the gates of heaven” and many of the states of the empire rise to the call.

W1204 Siege of Spatha. When a huge crusader army is refused entry to the sea-port of Spatha in Helena, the city is besieged and falls to the Golden Crusade.

W1208 The Spathan Expedition leaves Helena on an ambitious journey to take the Golden Crusade around the Point of Fauth to the Port of Zahnitir in southern Taveruun and ends in disaster as a storm claims the lives of thousands of crusaders.

W1209 Second Crusade of Haggar of Angharad

W1209 Helena and Dardanet sign the Antica Concord and cede from the Empire. Komar and Kallary sign the Concord and refuse to admit crusaders. King Haggar is turned back before even setting a foot in the Holy land.

W1229 Helena returns to the Empire.

W1230 The Numerians invade again, this time at the whim of the Priestesses. The leaders, more organized due to the coherent planning of the Priestesses, are more effective this time. They conquer Zahnitr and raze Illitzi. The County ceases to be an acting polity for about the next two decades, though the titles are still passed down to the next generation.

W1252 The Count of Illitzi appeals to the Emperor, who orders the province retaken. The combined Imperial forces of Taveruun are assembled, and the Numerians are crushed. The capital is rebuilt at Illitzi, and Zahnitr is retaken. The western portions of the County remain under Numerian control, the Maruzin peoples of that region hiding from their new masters as they have for centuries whenever a new conqueror has arrived.

W1254 A new Numerian warlord named Araptah appears in the west of the county and rebuilds the monastery of Zurasan to be his seat of power.

W1267 The new Highlord of the South finally amasses an army to take care of the Numerians north of the river. He advances on Araptah who sends message to other Numerians further south for aid. These however decide to attack Zahnitr instead taking it in the absence of the Count's troops. The count eliminates Araptah, and retakes the region (which becomes known henceforth as Numercasti), and then turns to retake Zahnitr.

W1268 The Highlord is defeated in his attempt to retake Zahnitr reportedly due to some miracle performed by the Priestesses (accounts vary). Zahnitr remains in Numerian hands for the time being.

W1305 The current very popular Highlord of Illitzi, Egvandeu the Bold deigns not to send his taxes to the Overlord. He is excommunicated by the Seat, and Imperial Legions march on Illitzi. The Highlord simply evades with his troops, and takes to Maruzin country. The Overlord takes control of the cities but can't control the populace. His troops edgy, he decides to attack Zahnitr, to return it to Taveruun control, and display his battlefield command. He in inept, in fact, which turns the assault into a debacle. The Overlord returns north, allowing the Highlord of Illitzi to resume control of his County. Taxes are never paid to the Overlord again, making Illitzi one of the first countries to effectively cede from the empire in what will become a wave over the next century.

W1320 Zahnitr, mismanaged by warlords for the past half-century, is retaken by Egvandeu. He is killed at the battle, however.

W1330-1359 Attacks on Zahnitr by Numerian forces become an almost yearly event. None are successful, however.

W1368 to W1402 The Years of Peace and Prosperity. With attacks from Numeria ceasing, and all revenues staying in country, Illitzi experiences the same boom as the rest of Taveruun. In 1393, the Count (the Highlord title is little used by this point) travels to the Tower of Ifsuraza and issues an order declaring the farmlands of the Azeun plateau exempt from taxation. This leads to tremendous prosperity in the region which lasts to date.

W1411 Battle of Tieston Vilage. Taveruun forces defending the southern counties are out-flanked and broken by the Marmaluk light cavalry. The Marluk army crosses the border into Dardanet.

W1412 The Knights of the Shard break the siege of Bettlerskrone in dramatic style destroying a full third of the invading Marluks. The knights begin operations to destroy Marluk resupply lines throughout the southern counties.

W1414 The remaining Marluks in Dardanet and Taveruun fight a running battle to retreat back to Otarmarluk.

W1415 The Emperor decrees that Taveruun must look to its own defenses and withdraws the Imperial Overlord, leaving the expensive Imperial Legions under the command of the Highlord of the Imperial East County.

W1416 The Highlords convene council in Longstone and the Crusader Kingdoms are reformed and a mutual defense pact is signed. Illitzi immediately re-declares it's centuries old oath of fealty to Galadorn.

W1420 The Count, having rebuilt his troops rashly decides to invade Numeria. His army is strong, but they fail take the desert into account fully. The Numerians counterattack and again take Zahnitr.

W1438 With help from Galadorn including the legions the Count manages to wrest control of Zahnitr, from the current warlord.

W1459 The Priestesses of Numeria organize another massive invasion like the ones of previous centuries; a large enough threat that Illitzi recieves considerable help from other Taveruun provinces. However the obscuritan policies of the prietesses end up making the invasion a mess. The army is routed at Illitzi, and the remains retreat to Zahnitr, which the Numerians have held since.

W1462 The Count of Illitzi cedes the town of Ardanast to the Baron of Galadorn as a diplomatic gesture.

W1467 Three villages are destroyed in Marmaluk raids across the Galadonian River. The Count of Illitzi quadruples his yearly payment to his lord at Longstone in hopes of helping to bolster the Legions in time to thwart an invasion.

I include this simply to show what the previous Taveruun development came up with. There is another timeline that has Taveruun as part of Xanarium right from the start -- as its conquest is never mentioned directly the assumption was taken that it was always conquered.

I also lean away from the conquest of a native population. A war of unification perhaps, like Uther and Arthur in Britain.

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I also lean away from the conquest of a native population. A war of unification perhaps, like Uther and Arthur in Britain.


I don't quite understand; for the formation of the Kingdom of Taveruun, you mean?

Anyway, from what I can surmise from the many fictional geographical names in the timeline above, it seems to me that in it Taveruun was never actually part of the Xanarian Empire. This is fine with me, even though I think that this is unlikely state of affairs for two reasons:

1) The heavy Xanarian involvement in the region.

2) The conomic importance that is to be surmised for Taveruun. I am referiing to maritime trade with the far East. Considerung that the technology of the Empire calls for ships to follow the coastlines and the hostility between Tez’Hamun and the Empire, Imperial trade along the coast of Tez’Hamun becomes improbable. Instead, the most important harbours for trade with the East could and should have been on the northern coast d the Saphire Bay, from where the goods went overland to the Sea of Fallen Gods and on to Xanarium.

Considering the importance that trade with Asia had for all European countries beginning in antiquity (Egypt, Rome, Byzantium, Venice, Genoa, etc.) it seem sunlikely that a nation as powerful as Xanarium would have let this out of his grasp by not conquering inland Taveruun.

I have started a new timeline for western Weyrth where Xanarium sets out to conquer the world largely due to a conflict with Tez’Hamun, similar to Rome starting its conquests with the wars with Carthage. I have carried this tentative chronology all the way down to the Empire’s greatest extent, the subjugation of Stahl as tributary. Like the Roman Empire I had the Xanarians first conquer the profitable and fertile southern areas and only later advance into the interior of the countries and into the far north.

3 Weyr: Mythical founding of Xanarium

190 – 250 Weyr: In a series of small-scale wars, Xanarium gains control of the entire south of the peninsula.

250 Weyr: Rise of a third moon. Xanarians set out for systematical subjugation of the entire penisula.

350 Weyr: Xanarian conquest of the Fregellan penisula complete. Naval voyages and expeditions become more commonplace. Xanarians become aware of the Empire of Tez’Hamun, which begins its own conquest of the region of Dardanet .

380 Weyr: Xanarians conquer the islands close to their peninsula and become a naval power. Xanarian interest in the Helenan islands lead to tensions with Tez’Hamun, which views them as within their own sphere of influence.

390 Weyr: Xanarian expansion into the Helenan insulas leads to war with Tez’Hamun. Both the inhabitants of Helena and the free Dardanians give support to the Xanarium, fearing the Empire of Tez’Hamun. The war becomes a drawn-out affair, involving much of Maraiah.

440 Weyr: Tez’Hamun too exhausted to continue the war, both due to Xanarian victories and numerous rebellions of their subjects, some of them instigated and supported by the Xanarians. (Ahr? Was once subject of Tez’Hamun, and Imperial Warlocks “founded the nation long ago”.) In the course of the war, the Xanarians have occupied the entire Helenan islands and many footholds along the northwestern coast od Maraiah, mostly in the north.

445 Weyr: Xanarium occupies roughly all of mainland Helena.

455 – 470 Weyr: War flares up anew with Tez’Hamun. Tez’Hamun is now defeated decisively (and Numeria breaks away from it?). In the course of the war, Xanarium occupies roughly all of Dardanet.

485 – 490 Weyr: Xanarium expands its coastal holdings in Fauth to include all of this rich tropical paradise.

495 – 515 Weyr: Expeditions into the interior of Ehld are hindered by the dense subtropical jungle, hostile fauna and even more hostile population. Apart from infrequent forays, Xanarium settles with control of the coast.

515 Weyr: The rise of a pro Tez’Hamunan regime in Yone, a former part of the Empire of Tez’Hamun, leads to Xanarian intervention in the region. Within ten years, Xanarian legions conquer all of Yone.

525 – 528 Weyr: A short but violent civil war shakes the Xanarian Empire. Aulus Galerius Constans rises against his fellow senators and becomes first Imperator for life and reforms the Empire.

530 Weyr: Xanarian citizenship extended to all inhabitants of the fregellan peninsula.

535 – 550 Weyr: The mineral wealth of the mountains of what was to become western Taveruun entices the Xanarians to extend their control from the coastal areas to these mountains, subjugating the mountain tribes in drawn-out campaigns. The east of Taveruun remains as yet free.

550 Weyr: Rise of a fourth moon. Xanarians set their sights on the conquest of the less hospitable north.

550 – 560 Weyr: Xanarian conquest of the south of modern Cyrinthmeir, the area south of the river connecting the Sea of Fallen Gods with the Crescent Sea.

560 – 575 Weyr: Xanarium subjugates its northern neighbour Gelure.

575 – 600 Weyr: Xanarium conquers the entirety of modern Cyrinthmeir.

605 – 615 Weyr: Xanarium pushes into the east of modern Taveruun, with the explicit purpose of reaching the Saphire Bay, as the latter has become important for the maritime trade with the far east. Xanarium gains control of this region, and its trade with the east subsequently increases.

620 – 630 Weyr: Xanarium conquers the region that is later to become Oustenreich and Farrenshire.

630 – 645 Weyr: Shrinking back from conquering the inhospitable, barbaric and poor lands north of the Irontooth Mountains, Xanarium tries once again hard for the conquest of the interior of subtropical Ehld. After initial successes, the lack of central organisation and large settlements lead together with the rebellions and guerilla tactics of the natives to the realization that a complete conquest of the interior would be very costly and that the effective control of its forest would require immense manpower. Xanarium once again settles on control of the coast.

650 Weyr: The threat of a full-sized military invasion of its land leads Numeria to offer the Empire tributary vassalage. Shrinking back from desert warfare, Xanarium accepts and turns its attentions subsequently once again to the north, which still holds more attraction to them than impoverished Ixliaph.

655 – 665 Weyr: With great effort the Imperial legions penetrate and occupy the inhospitable Iron Tooth Mountains and subjugate Angharad. As in Ehld, control of the country is made difficult because of the lack of large settlements and its people’s fractured and rebellious nature.

666/7 Weyr: Fearing to be next on the Empire’s agenda, the hardy proto-Stahlnish raise a huge primitive army, aiding the people of Angharad and attacking the Xanarians in the Iron Tooth Mountains. Being attacked for the first time in ages, the Empire is caught unawares and swept out of Angharad. Begin of a violent war between the Empire and an Agharad allied closely with Stahl.

670 Weyr: Making little headway in the ragged Iron tooth Mountains, the Empire decides to attack Stahl directly and sends a fleet carrying a huge invasion army. The fleet founders in a storm in the Sea of Claws and the entire army is lost. It is the biggest military setback ever suffered by the Empire and leads to a temporal cessation of hostilities.

675 Weyr: The Empire reopens the war against Stahl and Angharad. A brutal push brings Imperial legions through the Iron Tooth Mountains into Stahl. For several years, the Imperial army campaigns relentlessly in Stahl, devastating the country and causing years of woe and famine. It makes but little headway in gaining control of the country, again due to lack of settlements and the unbending nature of the population.

683 Weyr: After many years of campaigning, the Imperial legions in Stahl are exhausted. Winters are hard, supply through the Iron Tooth Mountains failing, as is forage due to the devastation wrought on the country. After many years of starvation, even the Stahlnish resolve fails, and negotiations are entered upon. Stahl (and Angharad) are conceded complete domestic independence, but become tributary vassals of the Empire. The Xanarian Empire has reached its greatest extent.

This map would then show the Empire at its greatest extent in around 700 Weyr. The Empire itself is pink, vassals yellow.

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What do you think of this? Does this clash with your own visions?

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Ian.Plumb wrote:
I also lean away from the conquest of a native population. A war of unification perhaps, like Uther and Arthur in Britain.


Grettir wrote:
I don't quite understand; for the formation of the Kingdom of Taveruun, you mean?


Yes, for Taveruun.

In their timeline, Taveruun becomes part of the Empire in 1161, the local populace having first been subjugated by the Eastern peoples in their wars.

My own preference is for conquest to have less to do with this and conversion to have more. So the assimilation of Taveruun into the Empire begins with waves of missionaries over a period of time, the establishment of an early church hierarchy, traders following, and then the Empires forces following to protect their trade interests. Some areas of Taveruun -- say particularly those of the north-west -- welcomed the arrival of the Xanerian church and in time state. Those less influenced by proximity resisted longer, some to the point of armed resistance others eventually persuaded by their neighbours and their improved way of life. Those with a vested interest in maintaining at least the status quo with the Vowists in the East resisted both church and state with arms.

I don't mind when all this occurs. Your timeline looks good.

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Ian.Plumb wrote:
My own preference is for conquest to have less to do with this and conversion to have more. So the assimilation of Taveruun into the Empire begins with waves of missionaries over a period of time, the establishment of an early church hierarchy, traders following, and then the Empires forces following to protect their trade interests.


I could easily integrate these ideas into my timeline - let's say the Empire establishes footholds along the coast during its war with Tez'Hamun (around 420 Weyr). From these footholds, prospectors and traders and finally missionaries penetrate first into the mountains and then into the lands beyond. The Empire finally moves in completely in around 600 Weyr, as you said to protect its trade interests.

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Grettir wrote:
I could easily integrate these ideas into my timeline - let's say the Empire establishes footholds along the coast during its war with Tez'Hamun (around 420 Weyr). From these footholds, prospectors and traders and finally missionaries penetrate first into the mountains and then into the lands beyond. The Empire finally moves in completely in around 600 Weyr, as you said to protect its trade interests.


Sounds good to me. I like the idea that the reception to the Empire within Taveruun was mixed and across a wide scale. Some very happy, their elite intermarrying early. Some accepting the church but wary of the political. Some the other way round. The middle-class welcoming the trade and wealth, the lower class welcoming the church, the elite welcoming the military. Or not. Lots of options for the old patrician families to have alliances on many levels, and old factions having influence even as their ascendancy passes. In particular i want to get away from the idea that a people have a particular view on a particular thing. Medieval life is not that homogenous, and universal views require a high degree of centralisation. The church provides that -- centralised authority producing a universal view on particular subjects (but not all details). The idea though that all Taveruun hate Vowists -- it is too simplistic. Politics is never black and white for all people.

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Exactly. When you first learn history, you learn big, sweeping generalizations, which are needed to lend structure to the subject matter and make it graspable. But once you get down a minute, local level you notice that all generalizations fail. As you say, it’s never simply black or white.

I will modify the timeline slightly to include what we have worked out for Taveruun, and continue it down to 1467 Weyr.

One more thing, though – do we want to have some kind of migrational movement from somewhere east (Ixliaph? Fahal? Zaporozhya? Krym-Khanan? Rzeczypospolita?) play a part in the Empire’s downfall? This is not a necessity, but I feel that it would make it more plausible and add spice, and most of all, it would help to explain why the nations of the west have moved away from the social system of the Xanarians and gained a strong cultural identity. It would also add logic to the feeling of a greater, more civilised past.

And if you like this idea, how strongly would you want Taveruun to have been effected by this migration?

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As far as I'm concerned, the large migrations are all part of the later Empire and so should be present in our history. I have the necessary details for the area around Lyon or Lugdunum as it was then called. My intention at this stage is to use the same names in a lot of instances for tribes and so on. So in a general sense, include Taveruun in the migrations. I'll add the specifics when it comes time to detail Rochegrande and its environs.

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Ok, I have ammended my timeline of the Empire and carried it down to the present; mention of Stahl and Taveruun are fat. Is this acceptable for you as an official timeline for our development of Weyrth?

3 Weyr: Mythical founding of Xanarium.

190 – 250 Weyr: In a series of small-scale wars, Xanarium gains control of the entire south of the Fregellan peninsula.

250 Weyr: Rise of a third moon. Xanarians set out for systematical subjugation of the entire penisula.

350 Weyr: Xanarian conquest of the Fregellan penisula complete. Naval voyages and expeditions become more commonplace. Xanarians become aware of the Empire of Tez’Hamun, which begins its own conquest of the region of Dardanet .

380 Weyr: Xanarians conquer the islands close to their peninsula and become a naval power. Xanarian interest in the Helenan islands lead to tensions with Tez’Hamun, which views them as within their own sphere of influence.

390 Weyr: Xanarian expansion into the Helenan insulas leads to war with Tez’Hamun. Both the inhabitants of Helena and the free Dardanians give support to the Xanarium, fearing the Empire of Tez’Hamun. The war becomes a drawn-out affair, involving much of Maraiah.

440 Weyr: Tez’Hamun too exhausted to continue the war, both due to Xanarian victories and numerous rebellions of their subjects, some of them instigated and supported by the Xanarians. (Ahr? Was once subject of Tez’Hamun, and Imperial Warlocks “founded the nation long ago”.) In the course of the war, the Xanarians have occupied the entire Helenan islands and coast and gained many footholds along the northwestern coast od Maraiah, mostly on the coasts of Taveruun and Dardanet.

445 Weyr: Xanarium occupies roughly all of mainland Helena.

455 – 470 Weyr: War flares up anew with Tez’Hamun. Tez’Hamun is now defeated decisively (and Numeria breaks away from it?). In the course of the war, Xanarium occupies roughly all of Dardanet.

485 – 490 Weyr: Xanarium expands its coastal holdings in Fauth to include all of this rich tropical paradise.

495 – 515 Weyr: Expeditions into the interior of Ehld are hindered by the dense subtropical jungle, hostile fauna and even more hostile population. Apart from infrequent forays, Xanarium settles with control of the coast.

515 Weyr: The rise of a pro Tez’Hamunan regime in Yone, a former part of the Empire of Tez’Hamun, leads to Xanarian intervention in the region. Within ten years, Xanarian legions conquer all of Yone.

525 – 528 Weyr: A short but violent civil war shakes the Xanarian Empire. Aulus Galerius Constans rises against his fellow senators and becomes first Imperator for life and reforms the Empire.

530 Weyr: Xanarian citizenship extended to all inhabitants of the Fregellan peninsula.

535 – 545 Weyr: Xanarian prospectors discover rich mineral deposits in the coastal mountains of Taveruun. The Empire sets out to gain control over the mountain tribes, which at this time have already been exposed to Xanarian culturual influence for well over a century. The east of Taveruun is subsequently opened completely to Xanarian influence.

550 Weyr: Rise of a fourth moon. Xanarians set their sights on the conquest of the less hospitable north.

550 – 560 Weyr: Xanarian conquest of the south of modern Cyrinthmeir, the area south of the river connecting the Sea of Fallen Gods with the Crescent Sea.

560 – 575 Weyr: Xanarium subjugates its northern neighbour Gelure.

575 – 600 Weyr: Xanarium conquers the entirety of modern Cyrinthmeir.

605 – 615 Weyr: Xanarium pushes into the east of modern Taveruun, with the explicit purpose securing access to the Saphire Bay, as the latter has become important for the maritime trade with the Far East. Xanarium gains control of this region, and its trade with the East subsequently increases.

620 – 630 Weyr: Xanarium conquers the region that is later to become Oustenreich and Farrenshire.

630 – 645 Weyr: Shrinking back from conquering the inhospitable, barbaric and poor lands north of the Irontooth Mountains, Xanarium tries once again hard for the conquest of the interior of subtropical Ehld. After initial successes, the lack of central organisation and large settlements lead together with the rebellions and guerilla tactics of the natives to the realization that a complete conquest of the interior would be very costly and that the effective control of its forest would require immense manpower. Xanarium once again settles on control of the coast.

650 Weyr: The threat of a full-sized military invasion of its land leads Numeria to offer the Empire tributary vassalage. Shrinking back from desert warfare, Xanarium accepts and turns its attentions subsequently once again to the north, which still holds more attraction to them than impoverished Ixliaph.

655 – 665 Weyr: With great effort the Imperial legions penetrate and occupy the inhospitable Irontooth Mountains and subjugate Angharad. As in Ehld, control of the country is made difficult because of the lack of large settlements and its people’s fractured and rebellious nature.

666/7 Weyr: Fearing to be next on the Empire’s agenda, the hardy proto-Stahlnish raise a huge primitive army, aiding the people of Angharad and attacking the Xanarians in the Iron Tooth Mountains. Being attacked for the first time in ages, the Empire is caught unawares and swept out of Angharad. Begin of a violent war between the Empire and an Agharad allied closely with Stahl.

670 Weyr: Making little headway in the ragged Irontooth Mountains, the Empire decides to attack Stahl directly and sends a fleet carrying a huge invasion army. The fleet founders in a storm in the Sea of Claws and the entire army is lost. It is the biggest military setback ever suffered by the Empire and leads to a temporal cessation of hostilities.

675 Weyr: The Empire reopens the war against Stahl and Angharad.

680 Weyr: After only minor initial successes in the renewed war, the Empire changes its strategy. A brutal push brings Imperial legions through the Irontooth Mountains into Stahl. For several years, the Imperial army campaigns relentlessly in Stahl, devastating the country and causing years of woe and famine. It makes but little headway in gaining control of the country, again due to lack of settlements and the unbending nature of the population.

687 Weyr: After many years of campaigning, the Imperial legions in Stahl are exhausted. Winters are hard, supply through the Iron Tooth Mountains failing, as is forage due to the devastation wrought on the country. But after many years of constant war and starvation, even the Stahlnish resolve fails, and negotiations are entered upon. Stahl (and Angharad) are conceded complete domestic independence, but become tributary vassals of the Empire. The Xanarian Empire has reached its greatest extent.

703 Weyrth: At the celebrations of the 700th anniversary of the founding of Xanarium, Imperator, Xanarches and Senate declare the full Recreation of the Empire of Xanar Shardbringer. Xanarium is considered to be ruler of the entire world. All regions beyond its borders are declared unworthy of being ruled by Xanarium; those immediately beyond the borders, being some combination of poor, barbaric or inhospitable, certainly are. This year is usually viewed as the beginning of the Golden Age of the Xanarian Empire.

The 8th (and to some extent also the 9th) century sees the height of the Xanarian Empire. It is a time characterized by a lucky succession of peace-loving and able Imperatores who rule in great harmony with the Church; they are known as the “Peace Emperors”.
In these two centuries, the Empire reaches levels of prosperity unknown before. The demilitarization frees funds to be put in public works and this building of acqueducts, thermal baths, arenas, streets, lighthouses and improved harbours all over the Empire stimulate prosperity and commerce. Maritime trade with the Far East reaches levels attained neither before nor after, and for the first and only time in history there is frequent diplomatic contact between East and West.
Imperial missionaries roam far and wide, carrying the Imperial faith and Imperial cultural values deep into Tegaarn and after the turn of the century at least in part to even so unlikely and hostile places as Ehld, Tez’Hamun, Svarastra, Picti and Savaxen.

773 Weyr: The fifth moon rises. This is initially viewed as ushering in even greater heights of prosperity for the Empire. The Imperator takes this as occasion to extend Xanarian citizenship to all inhabitants of the Empire.

approx. 800 Weyr: Intense Xanarian missionary work triggers a countermovement in south-central Tegaarn, leading to either a reform or a a revival of the Seven Vows of the Prophet. The Followers of the Prophet turn with great vitality against Xanarian missionaries and soon also against tribes of the Imperial faith.

approx. 850 Weyr: Tribes adhering to the Imperial faith are increasingly hard pressed by the Followers of the Prophet. The Empire sends troops beyond its borders to protect the faithful from the Followers of the Prophet. Minor clashes between he Followers of the Prophet and Imperial troops become commonplace.

892/3 Weyr: Decades of (mostly failed) missionary effort have made the Savaxen acutely aware of the riches of the Empire. A primitive Savaxen fleet raids the Imperial coastlines of Farrenshire, Ouestenreich and northen Gelure. Swift an brutal Imperial retribution shows the Savaxen the error of their ways and cows them into submission for more than another century. Still, the way is paved for future raids.

The Church interprets the attack by the heathen Savaxen together with the rise of the Followers of the Prophet as a sign of the upcoming return of the Dark Betrayer. They call for action against the presumed servants of the Dark Betrayer. Strange beliefs about the return of either the Dark Betrayer or Xanar Shardfinder or both and about the significance of the year 1000 Weyr spring up. The Followers of the prophet are believed to posses a (and to defile) a Shard. Religious hysteria sweeps the Empire and calls for a Holy War become ever louder.

900 Weyr: The Imperator has to give in to the pressure of the clergy, and a Holy War against the Followers of the Prophet is called. Later historians will cite this incident as the definite end of the Golden Age of the Empire and view the rise of the fifth moon and the subsequent ascendence of the Followers of the Prophet as a foreshadowing of it.

In the first few years, the Holy War makes surprising headway, but then grinds to a halt as resistence against the Empire stiffens; the campaign turns into a positional warfare. Both the Imperial army and its commanders turn out to have lost their old bite. Along the frontier, towns are conquered with great effort, only to be reconquered by the enemy a few years later; the Holy War goes nowhere. A number of highly unsuitable military commanders, either seditious, or corrupt, or foolish, are appointed and deposed by an infirm and decrepit Imperator in rapid succession; each of them has another strategic approach, but a unifying grand strategy is lacking. In the 930s, the antics of the (mercifully short) reign of half-mad Imperator Numerius Tetricus completely drain the Imperial treasury, further weakening the war effort.

934 Weyr: On a whim, Imperator Numerius Tetricus orders a complete retreat. The military commander of the Holy War, Eugenius Rapax, staunchly refuses to relinquish what has been gained by so much blood and toil and in effect seceds from the Empire.

937 - 941 Weyr: Imperator Numerius Tetricus is assassinated in a chaotic coup and his young nephew is declared Imperator. Negotiations about a return of the seditious Eugenius Rapax into the Imperial fold fail and Imperial armies march on each other. Seeing no other possibility to avoid civil war and untold citizen deaths, Eugenius Rapax finally commits suicide.

This is the matter in which the Holy War is waged. All it achieves in the following decades is to drain the Empire’s coffers, but no definite victories are achieved. Even a frantic redoubling of Imperial efforts as the year 1000 Weyr draws close achieves no definite victory. With the turn of the millennium arriving and passing without any epochal religious event, the Empire ceases its offensive efforts almost completely. The Empire and the followers of the Prophet settle into their positions, with armed clashes only once every few years.

1034 Weyr: Imperator Maximius Daia is assassinated and Olybrius Scorpio, the commander of his guard, ursurps the Imperial purple. Several military commanders refuse to acknowledge Olybrius Scorpio and march against him. This marks the beginning of the era of Soldier Emperors.

For over 60 years the Empire sways and reels with ceaseless civil war between rival Imperatores. Over 100 Imperatores hold office during this era, even the most successful for no longer than 4 years. Most of the time there are two or even three Imperatores at the same time, and many of them never actually enter Xanarium.
The area conquered in the Holy War of the previous century is irrevocably lost once again to the Followers of the Prophet. Retributive armies of the latter sweep into the eastern Empire, penetrating as far as the shores of the Sea of Fallen Gods; though they capture several cities and at time hold them for up to a decade, the fractured Empire is still able to prevent the complete loss of these embattled provinces.
The coast of the Imperial provinces of Mainlund are cruelly ravaged by raiders from Savaxen.

1099 Weyrth: Diocletius Aper, a military commander who declared himself Imperator 2 years earlier, defeats the last of his rivals. He establishes a new stable dynasty and terminates the era of the Soldier Emperors. Over the next decade, Diocletius Aper reforms the Empire, establishing most of its modern practices and governmental institutions. Both the Followers of the Prophet and the Savaxen are taught the error of their ways in preying on a weakened Xanarium. The Empire slowly recovers from the terrible ravages of the previous century.

The 12th century is once again a time of strength and relative peace and prosperity for the Empire, but it is the late summer of a changed Empire. The stern soldier Diocletius Aper has turned the Empire into a vast machine with the sole purpose of generating revenue; the mindless perpetuation of itself has become the only reason for the Empire's existence. The tax burden on the Empire’s subjects – for this, and not citizens, is what they are now – becomes enormous, and around the middle of the century brigandage by farmers deserting their land crops up as a problem for the first time, never again to leave the Empire.

1192 Weyr: Political changes in Tegaarn have forced the people of the Erulians out of their ancestral homelands to the east. (Please note: Deliberate vagueness to leave room for future developers of the east.) By this year, the first wave of these people, the Getulians, more than 100.000 men, women and children, arrive on the Empire’s eastern borders (Cyrinthmeir? Taveruun?) and plead to be accepted into the Empire. This is granted to them, but local officials mistreat the refugees and appropriate themselves of the supplies sent to them, prompting them to armed revolt.

1193 Weyr: The young and energeetic Imperator Diocletius Valens himself deals with the Getulians rampant in his eastern provinces. He falls upon them with a huge army but by some unlucky incident is soundly beaten. The Getulians surround the Imperial army and slaughter it to the last man – including the Imperator. The Empire looses half its army and its head, being left in the hands of Diocletius Valens’ young son.

In the course of the next few years, the Getulian roam the eastern provinces of the Empire largely unchecked, always on the lookout for fertile lands to settle. Other Erulian people follow suit, and many hundreds of thousands of semi-barbarous foreigners try to establish a niche for themselves in the Empire. At first, the Empire acknowledges most of them as vassals, but starts to move against the various peoples as soon as it recovers from the catastrophe of 1193. The Imperator tries to appease some by granting them lands while moving against others. At first, this policy seems to be successful.

1200 Weyr: Rise of the sixth moon, leading to record tidal floodings. Tens of thousands of square miles of arable coastal land are lost, and possibly millions become homeless and impoverished refugees. The economic strain brings the Empire to its knees and forces it to impose tax levels higher than anything before or after.

1202 Weyr: When the Empire demands sharply increased amounts of tribute from [b]Stahl]/b], the Stahlnish revolt and declare their complete independence from Xanarium. The empire tries to bring [b]Stahl]/b] to heel, but due to the catastrophe of 1200, the invasion by the Erulians and revolts springing up in other parts of the Empire as well, it eventually fails.

The 13th century sees the complete collapse of the Xanarian Empire to the triple forces of the catastrophe of the rise of the sixth moon, the acquisition of land by the Erulians and native rebellions against ruinous taxation; in addition, the Savaxen resume their raids. At first, the Empire seems able to hold out, but it eventually prooves unable to stand up to the prolonged strain. One province after the other is lost to Xanarium, and by 1300 Weyr, it has finally lost all of them.
(Please note: Deliberate vagueness to give other developers room to shape their own nations.)

The 14th and 15th centuries finally witnessed a stabilization of the reeling Empire.

This map shows the Empire at its greatest extent from around 700 to 1000 Weyr. The Empire itself is pink, vassals yellow.

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Nice work. The Taveruun detail is fine by me.

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As it has been sitting here unchallenged for almost four weeks, could my sketch of the history of western Weyrth then be copied to the "canon"-thread for Weyrth?

And, while I am at it (even though it is off-topic here), could the same be done with our longstanding basic technological agreement for western Weyrth? Meaning:

No other nation of the West quite as advanced technologically as the Seat of the Xanarian Empire.
Best available technology similiar to Europe 1425, with military technology 25 years more advanced and gunpowder 25 years less so.
No fencing fencing weapons more specialized than basic cut-and-thrust swords.

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I think that is a good idea, the more that is written in stone, the easier the rest of the details get.


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Grettir wrote:
As it has been sitting here unchallenged for almost four weeks, could my sketch of the history of western Weyrth then be copied to the "canon"-thread for Weyrth?


Are you ready for this piece to become a download? It is quite large for a thread.

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Ian.Plumb wrote:
Are you ready for this piece to become a download? It is quite large for a thread.


I am. I could either send this document to you as an attachment of a mail, or you could simply copy it from the thread. Let me know what it shall be.

Then again, I am not so sure about making it a download at all. It is deliberately sketchy, so maybe it would sit better as a post, into which you could later on edit new major events as soon as they become approved history. Though this could of course also be done by updating the download.

Edit: Just sent you the timeline as Word-document.

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Ian.Plumb wrote:
Are you ready for this piece to become a download?


Grettir wrote:
Just sent you the timeline as Word-document.


Um, I don't want to pester you, Ian, but what about the document I sent you last month? Did you never receive it or have you forgotten it?

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