Hmmm, just wondering why on earth an Elephant has better TO than a dragon, don't get me wrong I think the Elephant's TO is good, but the Dragon's... do they perhaps have some secret AV score I'm not aware of?

Cheers!

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Maybe they intend their dragons to be smaller than an elephant? Or the reasoning is that a dragon, being able to fly, should have a rather light frame?

It sure can be explained, but I have always considered TRoS’ way of dealing with huge creatures to be off. TO values of 15+ aren’t exactly pretty when you want to roll them as dice, and they make wounding a large critter, well, strange. For a very long time, nothing whatsoever happens upon hitting a a beast (the TO + AV soaking it up), and then, all of a sudden, the beast is severly wounded or even dead.

I use an alternate rule by which animals have a TO comparable to a very resilient human, but where the damage suffered is divided by a certain factor before this TO (or half of it, as is the case with that other house rule of mne) is subtracted. For a 4 ton elephant, I might use a divisor of 4 before subtracting half its TO of 4-6.

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Hmm, that's reasonable. But I was thinking with armored skin it whould still be pretty high. I might just give them 4 extra to make myself feel better



Why do you want to roll the TO as dice?



I haven't fought anything TO yet in TRoS so I haven't encountered this. I no I wouldn't fight anything with a TO over 10 with anything less than a Greatsword, and a ST of 6 or 7 tho. Also I'd enforce the Naked Dwarf rule so all those hits that technically didn't make it past TO would still inflict level 1 rules.



That'd be something to look into if DW was ever to do a 2nd try at OBaM. Doesn't the Companion have something similar too?

Cheers!

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"It was hard-fought, a desperate affair that could have gone badly; if God had not helped me, the outcome would have been quick and fatal" (115) ~ Beowulf after defeating Grendle's Mother.

Mainly for some supernatural abilities I have at times had in my games.


Yeah, sure, whatever, there are many possible solutions as long as you do anything about how the rules treat very large beasts now. What I really don’t like about it is that you won’t get any wound at all at, say MoS 1 to 15, but then suddenly a kill at MoS 20. With my system, many attacks on for instance an elephant result in lvl 1 wounds, which seems – dare I say it? -- realistic to me.

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I fully agree, and as I said your way would be somethig to strongly consider if another OBaM was to ever be made.

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"It was hard-fought, a desperate affair that could have gone badly; if God had not helped me, the outcome would have been quick and fatal" (115) ~ Beowulf after defeating Grendle's Mother.

Doesn't the Naked Dwarf fix give the same result while being simpler?

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I have never cared for the Naked Dwarf rule, as it seemed arbitrary to me. And no, it doesn't yield the same results in this instance.

With ND, you get first several results of 0 damage (armour soaking up all), then many results of 1 damage (damage greater than AV but not greater than AV+TO) and then the damage jumps up by one for every single additional success The curve of damage progression with my own system is much smoother.

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Naked Dwarf has always been a quick fix, and it is fairly realistic. I think what Grettir is after however (and achieved in his own games) is coherent system.

If 1 success = 1 damage and 2 =2, then 3 should equal 3.
Likewise if 1 to 3 successes = 1 damage and 4 to 5 = 2 then 6 to 8 should = 3.

Least that how see it, but my minds not really here today (more fire troubles... *sigh*)

Cheers!

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"It was hard-fought, a desperate affair that could have gone badly; if God had not helped me, the outcome would have been quick and fatal" (115) ~ Beowulf after defeating Grendle's Mother.

Although this is very cinematic. Many many movies kill off their monsters this way.

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I've never realized this, but yes, you're right. I guess that even with more cinematic play it's in he end a question of just what brand of cinematic reality you are after....

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Excuse me? What is this "naked dwarf rule"?

Maybe a rule to limit the goodness of a high Thoughness score?

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- Lord Petyr Baelish, A Game of Thrones

I really like these two rules, to me they are pretty solid rules, my group already uses "Naked Dwarf" but now I think I'll to implement "Dragon Tap" aswell. Or atleast a variation, we'll see.

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"It was hard-fought, a desperate affair that could have gone badly; if God had not helped me, the outcome would have been quick and fatal" (115) ~ Beowulf after defeating Grendle's Mother.

Thanks guys! they're both great and solid rules!

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